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Crazy Crossrail Openings!

Everyone knows Crossrail opens in December 2018. But exactly when?

Some sources say 9th December. Others say 18th December! Thats assuming it is on target. (See ****note below)

Which of these is it then?

Actually its both dates. Yes BOTH those dates!

WHAAT! That can’t be possible!

Slapping my head back into reality. That right? Yes it is. Blimey!

Yup. Cos I discovered a document with the details. Either Crossrail have confused themselves or they’re completely serious about how the line will actually be opened later this year. Some quick screencaps of the document headings follow.

Here’s the thing. From 9th December 2018 it will be officially opened as CROSSRAIL (forget the Elizabeth Line signs they’re scrambling to put up in place of the lovely original Crossrail roundels):

stage1 - Crazy Crossrail Openings!From 18th December 2018 it will be officially launched as the ELIZABETH Line:

stage1a - Crazy Crossrail Openings!
That’s right folks! You have exactly ten days to enjoy Crossrail’s services on the central section before it becomes the new name.

P.S. Another thing I found is the detached services (Paddington-Heathrow/Liverpool Street – Shenfield) will continue as TfL/Crossrail and not the Elizabeth Line until its all finally linked up in 2019.

****Note: Some other docs suggest Paddington-Abbey Wood will begin 8 December 2018.

UPDATE 9 JANUARY 2018

This convo which I initiated on London Reconnections, gives some idea as to what is happening with the various dates given for the mooted opening of the new cross-London line. I’ve copied and pasted the relevant comments so there is continuity:

ROG7 January 2018 at 23:40

Briantist.

Diamond Geezer and Ian Visits say 9th December.

London Loves Business & other news sources say 18th December.

The documents you linked to gives 8th December. That’s a third date.

All very official dates. So which is it to be. Does anybody know?

https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/cross…

http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/l…

BRIANTIST8 January 2018 at 04:55

@ROG

We probably won’t know for sure until it gets listed officially here http://content.tfl.gov.uk/track-closures.pdf

I’m guessing that it’s going to be the weekend of the 8th/9th December 2018 because no-one is going to make a massive change to the operational railway – on a Tuesday before Christmas.

MILTON CLEVEDON8 January 2018 at 17:28

Has anyone considered when the new (December 2018) timetable will start? This may also coincide with a 4-weekly railway financial period. So several reasons to start the new Crossrail service then – even if at that stage the only immediate direct Crossrail/NR interaction is with OOC depot workings to/from Paddington low-level.

However a further point is that TfL Crossrail might wish another week or more of trial running beyond 8th December before going public…?! (They’ll have been doing it for a while before then.) When does HM the Q head for her Sandringham hols on her Class 700? It won’t be any later than that.

PEDANTIC OF PURLEY8 January 2018 at 17:47

Milton Clevedon,

The issue is whether the press launch of the December 2018 tube map ‘exactly a year from today’ from Crossrail opening was really quite as literal as suggested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT6vSP8ENdU (Geoff Marshall’s visit to Farringdon).

That would give 19th December.

I don’t think this is reliable enough. I am suspicious as I know how these can be slightly spurious fabrications for the sake of publicity.

Personally (guess, nothing substantiated) I think they intend to run for a few days in shadow mode to make sure they can reliably get the paths to Old Oak Common (and a lesser extent Ilford) depot with the new timetable.

Wednesday does seem a slightly strange date to go for. And is this an ‘official’ opening date by the queen which may actually be subsequent to public opening? You could do what the theatres do and call the days before the queen officially opens it ‘preview days’. Then you do what they did with London Bridge (the bridge itself) and close it so that the queen can open it.

A further issue is that TfL will not want to lose revenue and a means of dealing with the extra Christmas traffic.

NGH8 January 2018 at 18:22

Re Milton Clevedon,

Timetable change day is Sunday 9th December 2018 so I’did go with that but to be honest Paddington – Abbey Wood start date could be fairly flexible as it is isolated from the rest of the network. Hence the Saturday could make sense with 2 full days before the first working day.

2019 is 19th May and 8th December

2020 is 17th May

WALTHAMSTOW WRITER8 January 2018 at 20:30

@ Milton C – Sad person that I am I was going through the railway accounting period dates for 2018/19 earlier today. Period 10 18/19 starts on the 9th December. I strongly suspect that TfL will not buck the national timetable change date so I tend to agree with PoP that we have well have a few days of “preview service”, as we did with the Overground on the ELL, and then there will some form of official opening. Then the service will get down to normal day to day service. Clearly the first bit of “new” Crossrail is entirely self contained in service terms so TfL have flexibility as to what they can do without causing disruption to other NR services. This is the same situation as pertained to the initial bit of the East London Line being re-opened.

BRIANTIST8 January 2018 at 22:54

@WALTHAMSTOW WRITER

I guess the question might be, given that the Liz Line is due to be 24/7 service Friday and Saturday night, that there might be implications about how the 4am-4am of a railway day works when translated into the normal public understanding.

Thus the end of the train service in the timetable as 8/12/18 will technically be at 03:59 on 9/12/18, and so on.

5 Replies to “Crazy Crossrail Openings!”

  1. Easy73

    “Dec 18” in this context refers to the month, not 18th December the day – it will launch as Elizabeth Line on 9th December and there will no operation as “Crossrail”.

  2. 1LondonBlog

    I cant understand why they didnt put ‘2018’ then instead of ’18.’ Also as they say its either the 9th or the 18th (depending on which source) so that helps to cultivate confusion.

    • Easy73

      I suspect it’s one of those things where someone types rough copy that makes sense to them, but doesn’t have it reviewed with a proof-reader’s eye before it goes public. It made sense to me, in context of what I know, but equally I understand why someone else could read it as you did (the American way of writing month then date is becoming more common). I’ve also seen confusion elsewhere about what date public service starts on Paddington to Abbey Wood, and I’m afraid I can’t help with that. Logically you would expect it to be the date of the standard GB (and Europe) timetable change, but there is no interlinking with any other service that would make it necessary to do on that date – no sharing tracks with any other service, and no other service has to be reduced, enhanced or otherwise altered as a direct result of the commencement of this shuttle.

      • 1LondonBlog

        I don’t know what they are up to. I’ve seen people on forums asking whether the 9th or the 18th is the correct date as its clear there’s two sets of official dates doing the rounds. The other confusion is the Heathrow and Shenfield services apparently wont be ‘E Line’ until they too are connected to the central core route.

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